Those who know me know that I love Post-Apocalyptic stories. I also like the odd Sci-Fi, but it's the Post-Apoc I'm in love with. Post-Apoc stories, however, can be very hard to find. Publishers/retailers usually don't separate them from Sci-Fi/Fantasy.


What I understand a little better is why Sci-Fi and Post-Apoc are thrown together. Both usually take place in the future. However, there's usually a difference. While the two may bleed into each other, mixing a ruined earth with space travel, Sci-Fi usually happens in space while Post-Apoc almost always focuses on Earth after a catastrophe. There may be scientific elements in Post-Apoc, but if it's a story about people on Earth struggling to live in an environment with very changed set of social rules, it's Post-Apoc (also often known as Dystopia). At least these are my definitions.

A good example of a Post-Apoc is 18% Grey by Anne Tenino where the USA has been split in half after a war, one half being accepting of GLBT; the other not (there are more differences, basically the more accepting one is more technologically advanced while the other half is deteriorating). The story has technological advancements, but it's not Sci-Fi per say, since it's just further development of our technology and not something as big as time travel or warp speed. Another is Marked Yours (Sentries series) by Elizabeth Noble, where the Earth got ruined with volcanic eruptions that killed and destroyed. The USA is split into new parts, one of which has a tradition of master/slave relationships. This is a very thought-out world Noble has crated, but instead of being technologically advanced, it's reverted back to old times with horses and such. It has paranormal elements, but that's Paranormal, not Sci-Fi, so it's a Post-Apocalyptic Dystopia/Paranormal.
Since I'm on the topic, Alternate Universe is not the same as Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Post-Apoc, or Dystopia. Alternate Universe is when something happened in our time, on our planet, that has changed something so dramatically so that our world today is different. It's also known as parallel universe. Characters are living in a world today after the Soviet Union won the Cold War back in the 1990's, or the Chinese took over the world in the 1800's and the world language is Chinese and everyone lives differently, or Kennedy was never assassinated. World hunger was resolved a hundred years ago - the world would be different today if it was.
A good example of an Alternate Universe is The Starving Years by Jordan Castillo Price, where world hunger ended in 1960.

A classic example of a Paranormal is Rules are Meant to be Broken by N.J. Nielsen, a book about vampires. A good example of Urban Fantasy would be Ink by Isabelle Rowan, about a demon in the city of Melbourne, Australia. (Both of these take place in Australia, actually, but there's no big city backdrop in Rules are Meant to be Broken).
It really bothers me to have to go through Fantasy titles when I'm looking for Sci-Fi. It also bothers me to have to go through Sci-Fi titles to find Post-Apocalyptic. Come on, retailers and publishers, make it easier for us to find the books we want.
I was lucky to stumble upon a list on Goodreads called Gay Post-Apocalyptic/Dystopic. I'm currently working my way through the titles there, but if there's a new Post-Apoc book out? I'll have to wait for it to hit that list, because I won't be able to find it on the retailer sites under a Post-Apoc listing.
This is a great post! I agree so much with all of this ^__^
ReplyDeleteThanks. It's been bugging me for a while, hehe. Finally boiled over and had to rant after I was trying to find a good post-apoc title.
DeleteYes, thank you! I do not like sci-fi usually, but love post apoc and fantasy, and people look like you have no idea what you are talking about because they think they are the same thing. BTW, am getting around to your suggestion, just have not had quality time with my laptop to figure it out
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DeleteWhat do you think about the trend towards doing away with Science Fiction and Fantasy as labels and calling the whole lot 'Speculative Fiction'?
ReplyDeleteStill doesn't make it easier for people to find the books they want to buy! Besides, all fiction is "speculative".
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You're welcome. It was basically me ranting, but it had been a long time coming ^.^
DeleteI spent hours trying to figure out my own definitions so I could properly label my books on GR and in calibre. I should have just waited for this post. I wholeheartedly agree that sci-fi and fantasy should be split and that more detailed descriptors would make finding titles I actually want to read much easier. True Blood ≠ Game of Thrones ≠ Blade Runner, yet the books they're all based on get shelved together. That's no way to shop.
ReplyDeleteOh I spent a while figuring out what was what. My main confusion was Alternative Universe. Everyone can categorize these genres as they wish. I'm glad if I could untangle some of your confusion on the matter ^.^ I just get irritated when I'm looking for a certain book and have to wade through books that aren't even close to it to find it.
DeleteI see post apoc, alternate universe, and distopia as sub genres of science fiction. Space ships and far future are not needed to define something as science fiction. Any alternate present or future which is plausible and logical (without magic) is science fiction. The other genres - post apoc, space opera, military sf, cyberbunk, are all a sub set of that.
ReplyDeleteDistopia can be either fantasy or sf. George Orwell's 1984 is SF whereas his Animal Farm is fantasy. Being controlled by big brother? SF (and way too close to reality sometimes), and the talking animals? Fantasy.
Yeah, definitions seem to vary. Some are very hard to define as they seem to cross several. Post apoc, alt universe and distopia I don't mind so much as put under one, as I'm interested in all of them ^.^ I agree that they're probably a sub genre of sci-fi. It's mainly sci-fi and fantasy that I wish weren't mixed (even though they sometimes cross).
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